No Terry, you can convert anytime. However, there are two ways to convert. If you still have Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) entitlement left and convert, you will get that same number of months of Post 9/11 GI Bill entitlement that you had left under the MGIB. But, if you first exhaust all your MGIB entitlement, and then convert, you will get the additional 12 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill entitlement. I know – it makes no sense.
The advantage of converting to the Post 9/11 Bill with MGIB entitlement left would be to get the higher pay structure and once you use up your converted entitlement, you would get some of your MGIB contribution back, prorated based on the number of months you converted. The advantage to exhausting your MGIB first and then converting would be the additional months of education at the higher pay rate.
To convert, all you have to do is fill out VA Form 22-1990 from the eBenefits website. The part you had to do prior to retirement was make a transfer of benefits request. After retirement, that is no longer an option.
It depends on which GI Bill you are talking about Paul. If you have the Montgomery GI Bill, then the answer is no, as that particular Bill does not have any transfer rights to it.
If you have the Post 9/11 GI Bill, and meet the two service requirements, then yes, you could make a transfer of any or all of your months of eligibility transfer to your children. To get a transfer request approved, you first have to have served for at least six years. The second service requirement is you also have to agree to serve another four years (which means you are still serving), unless you are within four years of being “retirement eligible” in which case the required additional time is less than four years. If you are already separated from the military, then you are not eligible to make a transfer request. The way Congress wrote the rules, you had to be serving “on or after August 1, 2009″ to transfer benefits.
To make a transfer request, go to the TEB website. Enter in the number of months you would like to transfer into the child’s record. After submitting, the Status Block will show “Pending Review.” Come back periodically and look for a status change to “Approved”
Once that happens, then the child has to submit VA Form 22-1990e from the eBenefits website to get his/her Certificate of Eligibility, which is needed when enrolling in school.
There is only one way to get a refund of your $1,200 and that is to switch to the Post 9/11 GI Bill with all 36 months of eligibility intact and then use it all up. Your refund will come as part of your last housing allowance payment.
Since you said you paid $600 for the “kicker,” I’m assuming you are talking about the Buy-Up program. If it was a true kicker, you would not have had to buy it – it would have been a no-cost incentive given to you.
One of the quirks with the Post 9/11 GI Bill is that you can’t use the Buy-Up Program with the New GI Bill. So your options are to either use the $5,400 Buy-Up money with the Montgomery GI Bill and lose your $1,200 MGIB contribution, or give up the $600 you paid and draw the higher pay rate of the Post 9/11 GI Bill.
A third option would be to use the 36 months of MGIB (paid at $1,473 + $150 Buy-Up per month for 36 months) and then switch to the Post 9/11 GI Bill and get an additional 12 months of education benefits.
It depends on which GI Bill you plan on using. Under the Hazelwood Act rules, you can draw on your Montgomery GI Bill and use your 150 hours of Hazelwood Act benefits at the same time. The MGIB, is now paying $1,473 per month if you served for at least 3 years on active duty, so you could use that money for anything you want.
However, if you plan on using the Post 9/11 GI Bill, then you have to first exhaust your Post 9/11 GI Bill entitlement first, before you can use your Hazelwood Act benefits. Different GI Bills – different rules.
Also, just so you know, the Hazelwood Act tuition waiver is only good at Texas public schools and you have to live in Texas while you are using your benefits, plus meet the other eligibility requirements to qualify for the Hazelwood Act.
So if you planned on going to a private school, then you would be better off using your Post 9/11 GI Bill. Under the new Post 9/11 GI Bill rules, it would pay up to $17,500 per year to attend a private school, plus you would still get your housing allowance and book stipend.
If you don’t end up using your Hazelwood Act benefits, you can also its benefits to a dependent and they can use them.
Anthony, you won’t lose your remaining GI Bill benefit – but that is all you will get under the Post 9/11 GI Bill – what you had left under your old GI Bill. However, if you first use up your remaining 6 months and 10 days, and then switch, you would get an additional 12 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill. As you know from using your MGIB, you get paid a monthly amount and you have to pay all your own education expenses.
Once you switch to the Post 9/11 GI Bill, the VA pays your tuition and fees at a public school up to your eligible percentage, which with 26 months of service after September 10, 2001 would be 80%. If you attend a private school, then they would pay up to 80% of the maximum of $17,500 per year.
You get a monthly housing allowance, which, depending on the zip code of your school, can be 3/4th of your monthly MGIB amount. Plus, it gets better yet. You also get your Post 9/11 GI Bill percentage of the book stipend each semester up to the capped amount of $800 per year.
So there is no question in my mind what I would do – use up your current MGIB and switch.
M, you could be eligible for the Post 9/11 GI Bill if you had served after September 10, 2001, but there is a trick to using it. If you switch to the New GI Bill now, with 2 months of Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) left, then that is all you will get under the Post 9/11 GI Bill – 2 months of benefits. However, if you exhaust your 2 MGIB months first and then switch, you would get an additional 12 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill entitlement.
Because you have your own GI Bill, you will get the housing allowance – even though you are married to another military member. Under the New GI Bill, your housing allowance would be determined based on the zip code of your school and the number of credits you are taking. If you are taking all your classes online, then it is figured differently – $673.50 for a full-time student regardless of where you go to school.
As far as degrees, normally the VA will not pay for another degree at the same level if you used your GI Bill to get your first degree. However, because your second bachelor’s degree relates to your associate’s they may authorize it. In your case, it would be best to contact the VA, explain what you want to do and see if they approve it.
Tyler, you pose an interesting question when you ask which GI Bill you should choose, because you either chose the Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) or declined it while at Basic Training. So if you declined the MGIB when you first came in, it is not an option now.
Or do you know that you have both the MGIB and Post 9/11 GI Bill and you meant to ask which one you should use? Assuming you have both, you would get up to $1,196 per month for 35 months if you use the MGIB. Out of that amount, you would have to pay your tuition, fees, books and other education-related expenses.
With 35 months of service (assuming it was after September 10, 2001), then you most likely also have 36 months of the Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits at the 90% level. If you choose this GI Bill, the VA would pay 90% of your tuition if you attend a public school or up to 90% of $17,500 per year to go to a private school. You would also get a book stipend each semester up to $900 per year (90% of $1,000 limit) and 90% per month in housing allowance based on the zip code of your school and the number of credits you are taking.
If you would have served for one more month, your MGIB would have jumped to $1,473 per month and you would be at the 100% Post 9/11 GI Bill tier.
There are VA-approved schools in Japan Lawrence where you can use your Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB). Go to the Weam’s School Search website and click on the Country button. From the Select Country drop-down menu, click on Japan and then click the Submit button. You will see a list of 18 schools in Japan. You should find at least one that would fit your educational goals.
As far as which GI Bill to use, more than likely the Post 9/11 GI Bill would be your best bet. If you use the Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB), then you would get up to $1,473 per month and have to pay all your own tuition, fees, book and any other education-related expenses.
If you use the Post 9/11 GI Bill, the VA would pay your tuition and fees up to $17,500 per year. You would get a monthly housing allowance of $1,347 and a book stipend of $41.67 per credit hour up to the $1,000 per year cap, which is enough to cover 24 credits.
As you can see, and you noted this, in your case there really isn’t any reason to keep the old MGIB. And if you transfer all 36 months of your MGIB over to the Post 9/11 GI Bill, once you finish using up your entitlements, you get your $1,200 contribution back. How sweet is that!
Generally speaking Tyler, you will benefit more from switching to the new Post 9/11 GI Bill. With the GI Bill 2.0 implementation complete, the New GI Bill almost replicates the Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) as far as what it will now pay in the way of training.
So let’s run the numbers. If you were to attend Butler County Community College full-time under the MGIB and had served for at least three years, you would get $1,473 per month and have to pay all your own education expenses. If you attend under the Post 9/11 GI Bill, the VA would pay your tuition and eligible fees and you would get a monthly housing allowance and a book stipend once each semester.
The housing allowance is calculated based on the zip code of your school and the pay grade of an E-5 with dependents. If you are a full-time student, you are eligible for the full housing allowance. If you attend less than full time, your housing allowance is prorated based on the number of credits you are taking.
The book stipend is paid at the rate of $41.67 per credit and has an annual cap of $1,000 per year. If you do the math, you’ll see that it would cover 24 credits.
Butler costs approximately $1,520 per semester including books. Calculating based on a four-month semester, you would earn $5,892 from the MGIB, but have to pay your $1,520 out of that amount.
If you used the Post 9/11 GI Bill, the VA would pay your tuition and fees of $1,520 and you would get $500 for books and $4,020 for a housing allowance for the semester. If you do the math, you will find that you will end up with about $200 more per semester if you use the Post 9/11 GI Bill. Butler has a very reasonable tuition rate. As you can see, you didn’t make an appreciable amount more with the Post 9/11 GI Bill, but the spread between the two GI bill gets greater as the tuition rate increases.