No Terry, you can convert anytime. However, there are two ways to convert. If you still have Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) entitlement left and convert, you will get that same number of months of Post 9/11 GI Bill entitlement that you had left under the MGIB. But, if you first exhaust all your MGIB entitlement, and then convert, you will get the additional 12 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill entitlement. I know – it makes no sense.
The advantage of converting to the Post 9/11 Bill with MGIB entitlement left would be to get the higher pay structure and once you use up your converted entitlement, you would get some of your MGIB contribution back, prorated based on the number of months you converted. The advantage to exhausting your MGIB first and then converting would be the additional months of education at the higher pay rate.
To convert, all you have to do is fill out VA Form 22-1990 from the eBenefits website. The part you had to do prior to retirement was make a transfer of benefits request. After retirement, that is no longer an option.
If you sign up for a six-year enlistment in the Guard, you most likely will get the Montgomery GI Bill – Selected Reserve (MGIB-SR). I say most likely, because you also have to maintain a good standing membership. If you have over four unauthorized absence periods (one drill weekend has either four or five four-hour periods, depending on the MUTAs for that weekend), you blew your MGIB-SR for a year.
Keep in mind, the MGIB-SR only pays $335 per month and you have to pay all your own tuition, fees, books, etc. Depending on how long you served on active duty, you may also qualify for a portion of the Post 9/11 GI Bill.
When you signed up for the Student Loan Repayment Program (SLRP) you incurred a three-year commitment where during those three years, you do not acquire any GI Bill eligibility (because you can’t use one three-year period for both SLRP and the GI Bill. So if you have served over three years, then you will have some Post 9/11 GI Bill eligibility. If you served for at least six years, you have 100% of the Post 9/11 GI Bill.
So while you may end up with the MGIB-SR, I doubt if it will do you any good, if you have any Post 9/11 GI Bill eligibility at all.
Anthony, you won’t lose your remaining GI Bill benefit – but that is all you will get under the Post 9/11 GI Bill – what you had left under your old GI Bill. However, if you first use up your remaining 6 months and 10 days, and then switch, you would get an additional 12 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill. As you know from using your MGIB, you get paid a monthly amount and you have to pay all your own education expenses.
Once you switch to the Post 9/11 GI Bill, the VA pays your tuition and fees at a public school up to your eligible percentage, which with 26 months of service after September 10, 2001 would be 80%. If you attend a private school, then they would pay up to 80% of the maximum of $17,500 per year.
You get a monthly housing allowance, which, depending on the zip code of your school, can be 3/4th of your monthly MGIB amount. Plus, it gets better yet. You also get your Post 9/11 GI Bill percentage of the book stipend each semester up to the capped amount of $800 per year.
So there is no question in my mind what I would do – use up your current MGIB and switch.
M, you could be eligible for the Post 9/11 GI Bill if you had served after September 10, 2001, but there is a trick to using it. If you switch to the New GI Bill now, with 2 months of Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) left, then that is all you will get under the Post 9/11 GI Bill – 2 months of benefits. However, if you exhaust your 2 MGIB months first and then switch, you would get an additional 12 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill entitlement.
Because you have your own GI Bill, you will get the housing allowance – even though you are married to another military member. Under the New GI Bill, your housing allowance would be determined based on the zip code of your school and the number of credits you are taking. If you are taking all your classes online, then it is figured differently – $673.50 for a full-time student regardless of where you go to school.
As far as degrees, normally the VA will not pay for another degree at the same level if you used your GI Bill to get your first degree. However, because your second bachelor’s degree relates to your associate’s they may authorize it. In your case, it would be best to contact the VA, explain what you want to do and see if they approve it.
Well Jeremy, some of what you heard is true and some is not. So let’s sort out the truth from fiction.
When you switched from the Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) to the Post 9/11 GI Bill, you relinquished your rights to the MGIB, so the answer to your first question is no, once you exhaust your Post 9/11 GI Bill, there is nothing left in your MGIB to use (because you moved it all over to the Post 9/11 GI Bill).
As far as getting your $1,200 back, it is true. If you transfer all 36 months of your MGIB entitlement to the Post 9/11 GI Bill, you will get your $1,200 MGIB contribution back, included in your last housing allowance (not BAH) payment.
If you would have stayed with the MGIB, you would have been entitled to an extra 12 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits, but only after you have used up all of your MGIB benefits. Being you converted your MGIB benefits to the Post 9/11 GI Bill, then you don’t get the additional 12 months.
So it comes down to two things – your educational goal (using the additional 12 months to continue your schooling) or getting your $1,200 back (and not continuing your schooling). Because you have already switched to the Post 9/11 GI Bill, you will have to settle for getting your MGIB contribution back as once you switch, you cannot switch back.
Generally speaking Tyler, you will benefit more from switching to the new Post 9/11 GI Bill. With the GI Bill 2.0 implementation complete, the New GI Bill almost replicates the Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) as far as what it will now pay in the way of training.
So let’s run the numbers. If you were to attend Butler County Community College full-time under the MGIB and had served for at least three years, you would get $1,473 per month and have to pay all your own education expenses. If you attend under the Post 9/11 GI Bill, the VA would pay your tuition and eligible fees and you would get a monthly housing allowance and a book stipend once each semester.
The housing allowance is calculated based on the zip code of your school and the pay grade of an E-5 with dependents. If you are a full-time student, you are eligible for the full housing allowance. If you attend less than full time, your housing allowance is prorated based on the number of credits you are taking.
The book stipend is paid at the rate of $41.67 per credit and has an annual cap of $1,000 per year. If you do the math, you’ll see that it would cover 24 credits.
Butler costs approximately $1,520 per semester including books. Calculating based on a four-month semester, you would earn $5,892 from the MGIB, but have to pay your $1,520 out of that amount.
If you used the Post 9/11 GI Bill, the VA would pay your tuition and fees of $1,520 and you would get $500 for books and $4,020 for a housing allowance for the semester. If you do the math, you will find that you will end up with about $200 more per semester if you use the Post 9/11 GI Bill. Butler has a very reasonable tuition rate. As you can see, you didn’t make an appreciable amount more with the Post 9/11 GI Bill, but the spread between the two GI bill gets greater as the tuition rate increases.
What GI Bill benefits you get DM will really depend on why you are getting out early. If it is for the convenience of the Government, then you must have at least 30 months of continuous active duty, if your obligation was 3 or more years, which is the clause that applies to you with your six year enlistment, and you would most likely get your full 36 months of GI Bill entitlement.
However, if you are getting out due to any of the reasons listed below, you most likely will only get a month of entitlement for each month of service:
• Hardship
• A medical condition that you had before service
• A physical or mental condition that interfered with performance of duty and didn’t result from misconduct on your part
• A reduction in force (RIF), although check with your Education Services Office as only certain RIFs qualify.
If you are getting out for some other reason, you may not get any GI Bill benefits, so consider your options and effects carefully.
If you get out with your GI Bill benefits intact, you can switch over to the Post 9/11 GI Bill at any time. As far as your Montgomery GI Bill $1,200 contribution, the only way to get that money back is to switch to the Post 9/11 GI Bill with all 36 months of entitlements intact and then use them up. Once you exhaust all your entitlements, you will get your $1,200 MGIB contribution back included with your last housing allowance payment.
Hi Lindsey. Because you have waited to start school, you now can use your Post 9/11 GI Bill for a cosmetology course. One of the changes from the GI Bill 2.0 that took effect on October 1st now allows the New GI Bill to pay for vocational-type courses regardless of where they are taught. Previous to that date, the Post 9/11 GI Bill would only pay for some non-degree granting courses if they were taught at a school also granting degrees.
So if you had a full three years of service, you should have 36 months of benefits that you can use for your school. The VA will pay your tuition and eligible fees and you will get a monthly housing allowance based on the zip code of your school and paid at the pay grade of an E-5 with dependents. Because vocational-type schools normally don’t run on a school credit basis like colleges do, you would get a book stipend of $83 per month instead of the $41.67 per credit as you would in a degree-granting program.
Cosmetology is a good career choice. According to the Bureau of Labor, it is a field projected to grow at a rate of 20% or more out through 2018. While the hourly pay isn’t much ($10.94 per hour on average), tips more than make up for the low hourly pay.
You could be eligible for both the Post 9/11 GI Bill and the Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB) Steven. Do you remember signing up for the MGIB and making your $1,200 contribution during the first year you were in? I so, then you have 36 months of MGIB that you can use. As far as your 10-year delimitation date, it would have started in 2004 at your last discharge. So you only have about three years left to use it.
However, you could switch to the Post 9/11 GI Bill and extend out your delimitation date to 2019. With the recent changes to the Post 9/11 GI Bill, it almost mirrors the MGIB as far as what training it pays, however, the Post 9/11 GI Bill pays much more.
If you come over to the New GI Bill with all 36 months of your MGIB intact, you can get your $1,200 contribution back once you have used up all your Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits.
If you are authorized both GI Bills, then you also have another option. You can use up all your MGIB benefits and get an additional 12 months of education benefits. So depending on your education goal, you will have to figure out which way is the best for you to go.
Yes you are Erika. By serving four years after September 10, 2001, you qualify for 100% of the Post 9/11 GI Bill. Just know that being you have two GI Bills, the Montgomery and Post 9/11, you are limited to 48 total combined months of GI Bill benefits, but there are two ways you can use your benefits.
One, you can finish using up your 36 months of pre-9/11 (Montgomery GI Bill MGIB) and then switch to the Post 9/11 GI Bill and get an additional 12 months of benefits. Or two, you can switch right now and get the same number of Post 9/11 GI Bill months of benefit as you have left under the Montgomery GI Bill, however, then you would not get the additional months. Also, if you would switch right now, you would get a prorated amount of your $1,200 MGIB contribution back.
As you know, you can generally earn more money under the Post 9/11 GI Bill. If you attend a public school, the VA pays your tuition and fees directly to your school. If you attend a private school, then the VA will pay up to $17,500 per year in tuition and fees. Regardless of whether you go the public or private school route, you will get a monthly housing allowance and a book stipend each semester.